NO new ICE cars registered after 2030 ?

[Jerry Irwin]

Hello ..

Not a problem for me as i hope to be iva'd end of this year..
I have read a couple of posts suggesting that after 2030 there can be NO ICE new car registrations.
Is this correct ?
If so what happens to tornado and ak and all the other small manufactures of kit cars going to do ..
Is it that they can be registered but not as new so end up with a q plate ?

Jerry

 

[Ryan L]

Whats wrong with a Q plate?

I was listening to a YouTube show the other day about ev conversions, and they were saying that because they were changing the fuel type from Petrol to Battery they had to be a Q plate anyway. They also said that any welding or drilling into the chassis would mean a Q plate as well. This then meant that any cars that had a Roll Cage fitted should also have been on Q plates.

From someone outside of the UK I don't understand what the stigma is with a Q plate? please explain.

 

[Jerry Irwin]

Whats wrong with a Q plate?

I was listening to a YouTube show the other day about ev conversions, and they were saying that because they were changing the fuel type from Petrol to Battery they had to be a Q plate anyway. They also said that any welding or drilling into the chassis would mean a Q plate as well. This then meant that any cars that had a Roll Cage fitted should also have been on Q plates.

From someone outside of the UK I don't understand what the stigma is with a Q plate? please explain.

as I understand.... a q plate will knock £thousands off the price
it immediatly 'advertises' itself as a 'kit' car and therefore not very good !
Also not sure even if q plate will be allowed in 2030
need someone who knows about these things to comment...
perhaps Tornado or AK can comment...if they read this post..
I can't be the only one who is quering this change in 2030 ?
Jerry

 

[Jay Gadsby]

I can't see it happening - 2030 - End of registrations.

I think the sustainable fuels movement will have moved on substantially by then and will be politically accepted in some way.

 

[Paul Bristo]

Hi Jerry, as i understand it, manufacturers under 1000/cars year are exempt from the ban (which is now 2035 not 2030 ?)

also (again .. as i understand it) that applies to car manufacturers .. companies that sell kits which are then IVA'd are separate thing anyway .. and i've not heard anything about proposed changes to the IVA rules. If companies selling <1000 cars are still allowed to sell ICE cars i doubt the IVA system will rule out ICE as an option.

 

[Jerry Irwin]

Hi Jerry, as i understand it, manufacturers under 1000/cars year are exempt from the ban (which is now 2035 not 2030 ?)

also (again .. as i understand it) that applies to car manufacturers .. companies that sell kits which are then IVA'd are separate thing anyway .. and i've not heard anything about proposed changes to the IVA rules. If companies selling <1000 cars are still allowed to sell ICE cars i doubt the IVA system will rule out ICE as an option.

Thanks Paul,

That makes sense...

The 'lovely' LABOUR Goverment reversed tory ban from 2035 to 2030 ( so no doubt in 3 years time it will go back to 2035 )

I would guess that tornado / ak and no doubt.. Car Builder Solutions have some answers....

Jerry

 

[Rob Klein]

Hello ..

Not a problem for me as i hope to be iva'd end of this year..
I have read a couple of posts suggesting that after 2030 there can be NO ICE new car registrations.
Is this correct ?
If so what happens to tornado and ak and all the other small manufactures of kit cars going to do ..
Is it that they can be registered but not as new so end up with a q plate ?

Jerry

This will never happen. Clearly we need to take care of mother earth, but these types of cars are not going to help

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi All ...... as has been stated above the current cut off date (under the Labour Government) is 2030. However, there will be another general election before then !!!!
None of us know what is going to transpire over the next few years but it is unlikely that any government is likely to be seen to be changing direction that may be jumped on for damaging the planet.
With regard to the comment from Paul Bristo ...... the situation with regard to small manufacturers is as clear as mud. Whilst they may be able to build a number of cars, whether in reality they'll be able to get them registered (if fitted with a petrol engine) is not totally clear. If of course you build it yourself and personally submit it for IVA (pre-supposing you will still be able to submit it), then you will NOT be able to register it.
I have not yet seen any clarity with regard to future IVA criteria. I will ask Andy at Tornado and Jon at AK if they have any view on the situation and whether they have received any formal communication. Ditto the guys at Ultima.
Given that we are now in a 4 year 9 month time window it would be good to keep this thread rolling, as long as we keep input to factual information. I fully understand people may want to rant (myself included !) but we need to deal with facts to help people on this forum (and other channels).
Best regards
Steve.

 

[Jerry Irwin]

Hi All ...... as has been stated above the current cut off date (under the Labour Government) is 2030. However, there will be another general election before then !!!!
None of us know what is going to transpire over the next few years but it is unlikely that any government is likely to be seen to be changing direction that may be jumped on for damaging the planet.
With regard to the comment from Paul Bristo ...... the situation with regard to small manufacturers is as clear as mud. Whilst they may be able to build a number of cars, whether in reality they'll be able to get them registered (if fitted with a petrol engine) is not totally clear. If of course you build it yourself and personally submit it for IVA (pre-supposing you will still be able to submit it), then you will NOT be able to register it.
I have not yet seen any clarity with regard to future IVA criteria. I will ask Andy at Tornado and Jon at AK if they have any view on the situation and whether they have received any formal communication. Ditto the guys at Ultima.
Given that we are now in a 4 year 9 month time window it would be good to keep this thread rolling, as long as we keep input to factual information. I fully understand people may want to rant (myself included !) but we need to deal with facts to help people on this forum (and other channels).
Best regards
Steve.

Thanks for that Steve.
Obviously I could have asked Jon ( I am building an AK 40 ) but I think its important that the wider community is aware of any looming dates.
Considering that some builds take over 5 years to complete, be a bit of a buggar to finish build and then find you can't drive it on public roads !
So, yes, keep this thread rolling along.

Jerry

 

[Steve Dean]

Having stuck my head above the wall ....... here's an update.
Andy at Tornado has been kind enough to spend some time taking a call from me. To date he has received NO communications from the authorities regarding the topic being discussed. Furthermore the IVA test centre that he uses has NO knowledge of any proposed changes.
There are stories about that manufacturers who produce less than 500 vehicles will be exempt. However, there has been no formal communication regarding this. Summary ...... nothing to report from Andy.
As I make more calls, I will post updates.
Steve.

 

[Brian Kissel]

Steve, do not worry. This forum is very even headed, and when it’s not, I will clean it up. What happens across the pond is different from what goes on in the US, and I won’t let mud slinging happen.

Regards Brian

 

[Paul Bristo]

found this guys, a consultation from department for transport from Dec 2024

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/679382182de28ea2d392f37f/phasing-out-the-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-from-2030-and-support-for-the-zero-emission-transition.pdf

on page 20;
67. Kit cars represent a very small overall segment of the market. It is proposed that applying the requirements to kit cars would therefore not be proportionate.

so .. sounds ok, but doesn't sound like its decided yet, or clear whether it would be a temporary relief.

 

[JP Verweij]

At the moment in Europe, unless a new build GT40 complies with all 2025 safety regulations like breathalizer prepared, park assist, lane assist, emission compliant, SOS call button etcetera its impossible to get it road legal.
UK isn't EU so any kitcar after 1996 even with correct V5 will not pass EU regulations also.
Pre '96 will pass with correct papers only.

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi Brian ...... glad to hear you will have a watchful eye on proceedings. I don't believe that there will be any mud slinging but folk can get understandably emotional on this sort of topic. Unfortunately our type of car (in fact any petrol/diesel car) is now rapidly becoming demonised!
As you may have read in my other posts, I am in Utah and Arizona for the whole of April ...... I may choose to stay!!!!!
Paul and JP ...... thank you for your contributions.
JP .... we must not slide into a political discussion, BUT if it wasn't for Brexit the facts that you have pointed out would now be part of the UK IVA regulations. In the short term anyone mid way into a build has had a lucky escape.
Paul ..... I am aware of the Department of Transport consultation and the paragraph you quote from Page 20. However, to my knowledge, thus far no one has received any official communication with regard to proportionality. It is still early days ..... this whole topic has a long way to run.
Steve.

 

[Troy]

I can't see it happening with companies like this (link below), pushing the new technology. I raced against a car running this fuel at a Motorsport Festival on the weekend, and con confirm it is legitimate. Ex-F1 tech genius Paddy Lowe is behind it.

Technology | Zero

Our clean burning fossil fuel alternative is made from air and water. A responsible and renewable process to creating carbon neutral synthetic fuel.

www.zero.co

 

[Neil]

I can't see it happening with companies like this (link below), pushing the new technology. I raced against a car running this fuel at a Motorsport Festival on the weekend, and con confirm it is legitimate. Ex-F1 tech genius Paddy Lowe is behind it.

Technology | Zero

Our clean burning fossil fuel alternative is made from air and water. A responsible and renewable process to creating carbon neutral synthetic fuel.

www.zero.co

Hydrogen?

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi Troy & Neil,
Salvation could come with the development of zero emission fuel, although (to my surprise) none of the household names in petrol production appear to be making noises in this direction.
A further update ...... today I had a long discussion with AK Sportscars and just like Tornado, they also have not received any official communication. We also discussed the topic of 'Low Volume Car Production'. The last official word on this was in February 2023 when it was suggested that this category would be for less than 1000 vehicles per annum. AK have heard stories about this figure being reduced to 500 or even 300. However there has been no official statements using these figures. The most recent statement from the Dept. of Transport (referred to above in this thread) used the word, 'proportionality', but made no mention regarding production figures.
I will post further information as I continue my researches. Please feel free to contribute if you have fact based input.
Steve.

 

[Steve Dean]

Hi all ...... I will be going quite on this topic for the next month as I am away travelling in the USA (Utah and Arizona).
The latest words that have surfaced are that the Labour Party are 'considering' adopting all current EU safety regulations on British built cars. This would mean that Lane Assist, Parking Assist, SOS Calling, etc, etc, would be mandated.
As we all know the use of the word 'considering' is typical political speak and is fairly meaningless. However, the fact that it has been said is deeply concerning.
In May I will be going to the Open Day at AK Sportscars and will report on my discussions with Jon & Neil.
Steve

 

[Walter]

In my opinion what we are seeing here is an example for the general destruction of small businesses in favor of a few large global companies (car manufacturers in this case) in the hands of investment banks. Companies like AK Sportscars or Tornado are unwanted by global players. We see the same thing happening in the food industry. Smaller regional farmers are unwanted - big companies want to run the show and our governments and law makers play along to pave the way. Has been so for quite a while in the US but now via the EU is happening in Europe as well.

 

[Neil]

In my opinion what we are seeing here is an example for the general destruction of small businesses in favor of a few large global companies (car manufacturers in this case) in the hands of investment banks. Companies like AK Sportscars or Tornado are unwanted by global players. We see the same thing happening in the food industry. Smaller regional farmers are unwanted - big companies want to run the show and our governments and law makers play along to pave the way. Has been so for quite a while in the US but now via the EU is happening in Europe as well.

What we are seeing is another example of "be careful what you vote for- you might get it."