GT40s.com Paddock Politics Thread

Status
Not open for further replies.

Mike

Lifetime Supporter
I hate my life

This site would be far more enjoyable if this entire section was removed and forum discussions were strictly limited to GT40s. Miserable individuals like this jerk contribute absolutely nothing to this site and the discussion of the GT40.
 

Keith

Moderator
I find it interesting that even though a fundamentally British issue, certain Americans are getting tied up in knots over it. Whether you like it or not, this is democracy in action and whichever way the vote goes, it is hardly an astute comment to call the 'winning' section of the population 'dumb'

It is what it is and we now have to work on it. I see the result as a precursor for something better down the line and I full predict we will see some new faces at the helm when the dust settles. Politicians with vision & conviction not the unelected mud coloured Euro-clones that dominate our lives with rules & regulations that only the British, yes, that's right, only the British obey.

Whichever laws are passed in Brussels, they are almost completely ignored in France, from Fishing to Farming. French & Spanish trawlers take British registered boats and fish up to our harbour steps, whilst our own minimal fleet get surrounded, sabotaged and screwed up if we venture within 3 miles of the French coast (which we are entitled to do). The authorities take not a blind bit of notice.

Our lamb is much in demand abroad but owing to market CAP farmers get less that £25 for a whole sheep. It's hardly worth rearing them and yet we have millions of acres of fields 'set-aside' as we are not allowed to grow/produce on that land to keep farmers prices artificially high. It goes on and on.

To put the matter straight. In 1975 we voted for a 'common market' NOT a Federal Europe' .This progression was hidden from the voters in the depths of the treaties and we only became aware of the ghastly contents in a trickle-down fashion.

I could go on, but I would like to point out to Mr Young, that what swung the final vote to LEAVE was Labour's traditional tranche of votes from the British Working Class. This was unexpected but they are also the ones most affected by the serious issues of immigration and security by virtue of their geography.

If democracy is to be applauded, then so must the huge number of voters who turned out to register their vote. It is the highest percentage of the population on record to do so.

I don't know what sort of whacky world you inhabit Jeff, but I celebrate the referendum - no-one got shot in a polling station and there was no violence - just a great nation exercising its democratic rights calmly and peacefully.

As for 'globalisation' - all that has led to are companies or entities more powerful & richer than governments and completely unrepresented by the People.

In fact Marxism, the lynchpin of International Socialism would appear to have more in common with globalisation that's the so called 'free market' who's entire world production is carved up amongst the big players. So perhaps Jeff, this is the model you should be leaning towards.? The elephant in the room of globalisation is of course, climate change. It's going to be hard to balance your unelected dynasties with their need to curtail their manufacturing processes.

You sir, have done us a great injustice calling us 'dumb' because you didn't agree with the outcome. I hope you can realise what a juvenile attitude that appears to be.

I trust now that we can retire the rhetoric and name-calling here once and for all, but I wasn't going to let that pass.
 
Exactly Keith. The "Common Market" became uglier and uglier as more and more power shifted to the non-elected in Brussels. Initially the primary focus was harmonization of standards in all realms of manufacture and distribution of goods and products. This created more room for never ending expansion of fee's, and more regulation. Today there are something like 80,000 rules and regulations affecting the member states.

Beware, very aware of Article 50.
 
I cannot tell you how delighted I am to dump those faceless unelected overpaid bureaucrats in Brussels.
QUOTE]

Keith, you and all the others who had voted for the Brexit will now have to bear the consequences, one of which is all of you being banned to a dark wet and foggy island in the Northern Atlantic.

Oh wait...
 

Larry L.

Lifetime Supporter
Before I waste my time...is this guy the European equivalent of faaar lefty U.S. "economist"(?) Paul Krugman? If so - I'll just PASS, thank you.

Ignorance is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts.

Ignoring your "ignorance" insult, and even given the fact you all but admitted the prof is Krugman's equivalent (political equivalent) by ignoring my question, I did try to listen to the vid...but, I gave up on it about a minute or so in. The audio continually 'stutters', if you will...stops/starts/hesitates/pauses and jerks along. I tried 'refreshing it' a couple times, but to no avail...I therefore saw no sense in continuing to battle with it.
 
Ignoring your "ignorance" insult, and even given the fact you all but admitted the prof is Krugman's equivalent (political equivalent) by ignoring my question, I did try to listen to the vid...but, I gave up on it about a minute or so in. The audio continually 'stutters', if you will...stops/starts/hesitates/pauses and jerks along. I tried 'refreshing it' a couple times, but to no avail...I therefore saw no sense in continuing to battle with it.

I admitted no such thing as I am ignorant of who Krugman is I was unable to compare them.

no Insult intended ignorance : lack of knowledge or information
 
Last edited:
It is what it is and we now have to work on it. I see the result as a precursor for something better down the line

I sincerely hope so Keith, as hard as I try I just can't see how it can be for many years. To me, the real "elephant in the room"? is the 75% of 18-24 year olds who voted remain and feel they have been let down by an older generation

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/meet-the-75-young-people-who-voted-to-remain-in-eu

Exactly Keith. The "Common Market" became uglier and uglier as more and more power shifted to the non-elected in Brussels.

Of course the ironic thing is that may of the exit leaders who protested this to the hilt will no doubt end their political careers in the House of Lords.

It appears it is not just me who is frustrated with what is now happening I kept trying to tell Brexit supporters I knew that in order for us to carry on trading with the EU one of the fundamental conditions would be the free movement of people and I was told that was rubbish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...icid=maing-grid7|uk|dl2|sec1_lnk2&pLid=473295
 
Last edited:

Keith

Moderator
I sincerely hope so Keith, as hard as I try I just can't see how it can be for many years. To me, the real "elephant in the room"? is the 75% of 18-24 year olds who voted remain and feel they have been let down by an older generation

Meet the 75%: the young people who voted to remain in the EU | Politics | The Guardian



Of course the ironic thing is that may of the exit leaders who protested this to the hilt will no doubt end their political careers in the House of Lords.

It appears it is not just me who is frustrated with what is now happening I kept trying to tell Brexit supporters I knew that in order for us to carry on trading with the EU one of the fundamental conditions would be the free movement of people and I was told that was rubbish.

Evan Davis Clashes With Daniel Hannan MEP On Newsnight After EU Referendum Brexit Vote


The answer to all your questions is very simple Nick. Please point your "youngsters" to the solution. Democracy. What? the 18-24 year olds feel let down by an older generation that just may have just sacrificed their lives for the very concept of self determination that the youngster might cast away following a night on the vodka and red bull? That is an extremely odious argument - there is enough ageism prevalent in our society, personally, I have never felt so threatened by the very young people I have nurtured. "We have all the houses, the property, the money". That's a dangerous road Nick and to suggest we voted for ourselves is rubbish. I voted for my Grandchildren's future not mine and to suggest I did otherwise is another painful and casual insult to my 50 years of nuturing and championing young people. My record is plain and check able. Just contact anyone in Lymington and ask them who I stand up for. There are many thousands like me...

You cannot cherry pick the results . If you do, you're not living in a democracy
Is that so hard to understand.? Yes, but, doesn't cut it. The People made a majority decision and it doesn't matter how you want to fiddle with and interpret the results, that's what is is. Work with it and teach your young people to do likewise.

I do not want to contemplate the alternative, unless of course we live in South America...

Stop whining - get your heads down....

The most important question now is, will the word "BREXIT" stay IN or OUT of the Oxford dictionary?
 

Keith

Moderator
I'm sorry if that did not make 100% sense, I had a bad fall in the middle of it in my back yard, and managed to get two very nice young men to help me get back up again....:2thumbsup:

Many thanks to Drew & Ed...:heart:
 
I'm sorry if that did not make 100% sense, I had a bad fall in the middle of it in my back yard, and managed to get two very nice young men to help me get back up again....:2thumbsup:

Many thanks to Drew & Ed...:heart:

Some of it made sense, we can still feel let down but respect and love those that let we feel let us down whether old or young. To be fair it was a lot of commentators and the older generation who said the youngsters had been let down by the older generation.

Just really glad it was youngsters that helped you ;)

Maybe time to make a hasty retreat from this forum again and get back to car building it has much happier results. Hope it helps ease the pain, works for me.
 

Attachments

  • 008.jpg
    008.jpg
    165.1 KB · Views: 228
Last edited:

Keith

Moderator
Totally accept the media driving a wedge between young & old. They did it with housing, why not with Politics!


With a bit of help from the younger generation, maybe, just may be a reemergence of Pax Brittanica :bobby:
 

Ian Anderson

Lifetime Supporter
How does anyone know that 75% of any age group voted any way?

The vote is private between the individual and his poll sheet.

Really any other statistics other than 48 to 52% or more accurate if you start going to decimal places, is pure speculation and cannot be proved n any way shape or form.

The biased BBC and other news agencies are just spreading rumours and frictions that they consider may be correct, none of which can be verified!
 
Totally accept the media driving a wedge between young & old. They did it with housing, why not with Politics!


With a bit of help from the younger generation, maybe, just may be a reemergence of Pax Brittanica :bobby:

Had to look up Pax Brittanica sounds good to me :thumbsup: and I can at least have a happy exit from politics FWIW :)
 

Pete McCluskey.

Lifetime Supporter
Wow, apparently Great Britian had a democratic referendum on whether to stay in the E.U. Or leave. The result was leave. Now all those who do not like that decision are railing against it, getting their blood pressure up and their knickers in a twist.
Well my father fought for democracy and probably yours did too. It was a democratic process and more people voted than at any previous general election.
Time to accept the people's decision and move on, the World will not end, new trade agreements with Great Britian and her major trading partners are already being redrawn.
Get over it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top