SPF GT40 Genesis

Mike

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PS Rick... I fiddled with the front alignment for quite awhile with Dennis and Paul. The alignment issues on mine are not related to the adjustment you mention. The pin is simply not positioned correctly. I'll post pics when I get around to taking it apart and resolving.
 

Mike

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So I'm on here dinging my own car that someday I may wish to sell on here. I'm an honest person and I would tell any potential buyer of the car of the flaws and the beauty that come along with one of these cars. These car's fit and finish should never be compared to a modern day car built in modern day computerized build and paint facilities. They are hand build and I would guess hand sprayed in a paint booth no different than you might find at a local body shop. If you are looking for a "perfect" fit and finish equal to a modern Ford GT or ZR1, look elsewhere. We all understand the positive aspects of these so I won't belabor the point. They are fantastic cars and anyone who is standing next to mine when it fires up and hears that beautiful sound coming through the megaphones, won't give a damn about some orange peel in the paint or sub standard surface prep. That said, if you think this compares to modern car surface prep & paint you may have spent too much time in the paint booth without a breather :) I will say it is the cab that seems to not been prepped very well. Most other surfaces do not show flaws like this. The vent/scoop opening prep is just well... like a kit car. Could have certainly been done better. How many of you buy these cars and never tweak or improve them. That is the beauty. If you don't like something you can correct almost anything. It is annoying having to do so on items like panel alignment that could have easily been done at build time if the builder would have shown some pride and attention to detail in what he was doing.

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Mike

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To be fair to my car and those who might see the pic above and think whoa what a rough looking piece of you know what, here it is. You have to look really close before you start seeing the little things that are not perfect. Maybe like any supermodel. They are stunning and you want one really bad but the next morning when they roll out of bed next to you they are not as perfect as the air brushed image in the magazine led you to believe...

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Rick Muck- Mark IV

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. Maybe like any supermodel. They are stunning and you want one really bad but the next morning when they roll out of bed next to you they are not as perfect as the air brushed image in the magazine led you to believe...

So you have personal carnal knowledge of a supermodel? Details please!!!! :)
 

Mike

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So have any of you guys went out and looked on top of the cab of your SPF and noticed whether it has orange peel? I'm curious...
 
Yes my SPF has some paint irregularities near the roof vent if you look VERY closely. Do I care? Guess it depends what you are looking for when you buy an SPF GT40. If these imperfections bother you buy a Ford GT or pay $25K to have a show finish respray. To me the opportunity to own the most accurate reproduction of a GT40 for about $100K was why I'm satisfied with the car. Anyone looked at original paint on a real GT40?
 
I fairness to Mike, the reality is that the paint and body work on my car are not perfect either. There is a little bit of orange peel here and there (mostly on the lower sides and rear), and a couple of flaws in the underlying body work that stick out. The transition from body color to black under the clamshells, front and rear, as well as the inner doors is poorly done, in some areas it looks almost free-handed.

But the reality of the situation is that these cars are built by hand, to a price. Their level of fit and finish are certainly much better than the originals, but perhaps not to modern standards. I'm not sure that that is all bad. Having seen a number of original cars up close, including P1075, the finish of my car is still much better.

Frankly, if it were perfect, it would be a dead giveaway as a replica, and I might be afraid to get a scratch on it. As it is, it is a "rough and tumble" race car that I can drive on the street, and take to the track...after a bit of hard use, it should gain some well-earned "patina" that will only add to the mirage.

If I all I wanted out of a $100K sportscar was perfection, I'd have bought a Porsche.
 

Mike

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I think we share similar feelings about what the GT40 is and is not although I would not call the paint imperfections "minor". I've seen backyard sprays better than that. I take you conclude then that the paint work is not near perfection as has been asserted by some?
 

Seymour Snerd

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So I'm on here dinging my own car that someday I may wish to sell on here. I'm an honest person and I would tell any potential buyer of the car of the flaws and the beauty that come along with one of these cars

Careful, some owners don't like it when you to do that.

I take you conclude then that the paint work is not near perfection as has been asserted by some?

I haven't heard the SPF Irvine sales pitch in a couple years, but back then it included many references to "show quality paint".

BTW, when people refer to the "fit and finish" of the original cars, the comparison should be made to the car's "fit and finish" as delivered in the 60s, not 50 years later. Who here saw one then, and has that clear a memory?
 
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Alan,

I think "show quality paint" is such a vague marketing phrase as to be nearly useless.

Would I enter my car in a show, sure. Would it win "Best Paint"? No way.

I have actually sprayed a better paint job in my garage. But then again, I have seen truely "show quality" paint jobs sprayed in garages.

Never-the-less, I am satisfied with the paint, and happy with the overall value of my car.
 

Seymour Snerd

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I think "show quality paint" is such a vague marketing phrase as to be nearly useless.

Not to me. It certainly does not allow for any orange peel or surface irregularity of any kind. I live near a shop (Gary Bobileff's) who regularly does paint for Pebble Beach entrants. You see one of those and it's immediately clear what the term means.
 
Alan,

BTW. I took a look at my car's rear "damper" mounts....absolutely two layers of metal, welded at the edge. Forgot to measure the thickness, though.
 

Mike

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I agree with what Dave said earlier even if he was throwing a jab at me. If you want perfection or at least nice, buy a Ford GT. The paint on them is pretty good although even some of them had issues. Like I said, I've had both and so far my experience has been that if both cars would pull into the parking lot at the same time, the GT while beautiful would just not get the same attention as the 40. The GT is much more civilized in almost too perfect. For me the rough and tumble 40 > GT.

The panel alignment issues still piss me off. Just shitty craftsmanship!
 
Alan,

You need to go to a Rod show to see the crap that is passed off as "show quality."

My point being, there is a wide spectrum of "shows", with an equally wide spectrum of "show quality paint."

Pebble Beach can't possibly be the only acceptable yardstick....at least not this price range.
 
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Rick Muck- Mark IV

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Who here saw one then, and has that clear a memory?

I did and I sorta remember.:) I saw several street cars as well as 1074/1075 in 1967/68/69 at Watkins Glen. I will admit to not being concerned with quality of fit and finish then but I know the cars are all restored to a much better than factory level now.

The "show quality finish" comment is subjective but all of the Superformance products I have had, GTs and MK IIIs ("Cobras") were of a high level of fit and finish and the paint jobs would have cost a fair sum to replicate.
 
Looked at my shock towers. There are welded in washers giving a total thickness of .180" of metal, but only at the bolt face. It would be prudent to reinforce with plates such as Jim Craik or Pathfinder have done. I would strongly recommend fabricating longer sway bar links. The geometry change puts less stress on the shock tower and also functions as a sway bar better.
Concerning paint and panel fit look at other GT40 replicas. I've talked to two RCR owners very upset with finished cars they bought. Looking at the panel fit on the one I saw I would be too. Pretty atrocious. That owner admitted he should have bought an SPF looking at mine and knowing he paid about the same money. Does that let SPF off the hook? Depends what your expectations are. A friend of mine pointed out my roof paint imperfections. He owns a Porsche Cayman. Would I trade even with an extra $50K thrown in? No way!
 
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