F1 2007
- Thread starter David Morton
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"Toro Rosso’s Sebastian Vettel will drop ten places on the grid at his next race as penalty for his collision with Red Bull’s Mark Webber in Sunday’s Japanese Grand Prix.
Vettel ran into the back of the Australian during the second safety-car period whilst in third place. Webber was out on the spot as a result, while Vettel made it back to the pits before retiring his damaged STR02.
The incident was subsequently investigated by stewards, who decided that Vettel had breached Article 16.1 of the Formula One sporting regulations in causing the collision.
As a result the German will be demoted 10 grid places at his next race, expected to be the Chinese Grand Prix next weekend."
Vettel ran into the back of the Australian during the second safety-car period whilst in third place. Webber was out on the spot as a result, while Vettel made it back to the pits before retiring his damaged STR02.
The incident was subsequently investigated by stewards, who decided that Vettel had breached Article 16.1 of the Formula One sporting regulations in causing the collision.
As a result the German will be demoted 10 grid places at his next race, expected to be the Chinese Grand Prix next weekend."
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Pat Buckley
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I missed that - what did he say?
Pete McCluskey.
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Given that Webber got booted out under safety car while in second spot I thought his comments about the "F**king kid" were quite mild. Especially for an Aussie. I will be very surprised if he gets sanctioned.
I reckon Vettel got off lightly.
I reckon Vettel got off lightly.
Well the F...ing Kid was seen crying into his arms and helmet in the pits, but you can imagine what it was like in Webber's vomit filled helmet just after that shunt....
I think he ran over the black cat whilst breaking about 100 mirrors and walking under a few ladders....
I think he ran over the black cat whilst breaking about 100 mirrors and walking under a few ladders....
David Morton
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I know you antipodeans are fanatical about Webber, but to me, I think he's another
journeyman a bit like Coulthard, Blundle, Brundle, and Palmer. Sure, they all get a good living from their weekend job but they will never get their names on the big cup
and in 20 or 30 years when you say their names people will say "Who?"
Over this weekend I asked my daughters is they new of Rene Arnoux and Didier Pironi and I only got one reponse. "An opera singer?" and my daughters have always gone to the races with me since they got out of nappies.
Surely, Vettel screwed up this weekend big time, but watch this space. He won't do it again, and IMHO he will be a top driver in a top slot in the near future.
Dave M
journeyman a bit like Coulthard, Blundle, Brundle, and Palmer. Sure, they all get a good living from their weekend job but they will never get their names on the big cup
and in 20 or 30 years when you say their names people will say "Who?"
Over this weekend I asked my daughters is they new of Rene Arnoux and Didier Pironi and I only got one reponse. "An opera singer?" and my daughters have always gone to the races with me since they got out of nappies.
Surely, Vettel screwed up this weekend big time, but watch this space. He won't do it again, and IMHO he will be a top driver in a top slot in the near future.
Dave M
Pete McCluskey.
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Fanatical is probably too strong a word David, but he is the only Aussie in F1 right now and so has our support. A wet track sorts the men from the boys and car control and driver skill takes precedence. Webber was in 2nd when the f%#king kid hit him up the Khyber.
If he is a journeyman he is a bloody good one, who is out performing his more experienced team mate across the board.I think he would surprise you if he ever managed to get into a decent car.
Sadly unlikely at this stage of his career...
Didier who??
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David Morton
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As far as the most powerful man in the paddock of Fuji Speedway knows( you know - the little guy with the very tall wife) , Fernando Alonso could be set to take a year off in 2008.
Speaking with British reporters at the scene of the Japanese grand prix, F1's chief executive Bernie Ecclestone says he has been "told" that Alonso might be heading to Ferrari, but only after his McLaren contract runs out.
"It would be terrible but there is nothing you can do about it," the 76-year-old said of the prospect of a multiple world champion on the sidelines.
"It might suit Ron (Dennis). Ron might say, 'I'll pay you but you can't drive for anyone else', like they do with the designers."
Sounds like "fiesta del jardín" for the deigo.......
Speaking with British reporters at the scene of the Japanese grand prix, F1's chief executive Bernie Ecclestone says he has been "told" that Alonso might be heading to Ferrari, but only after his McLaren contract runs out.
"It would be terrible but there is nothing you can do about it," the 76-year-old said of the prospect of a multiple world champion on the sidelines.
"It might suit Ron (Dennis). Ron might say, 'I'll pay you but you can't drive for anyone else', like they do with the designers."
Sounds like "fiesta del jardín" for the deigo.......
Re Ferrari not starting on full wets because they didn't receive an email. Can anyone explain, given the terrible conditions, why any team would not start on full wets????
It seems unusual to communicate via email when all the teams are in the same pit lane anyway. What happens if the mail gets lost in amongst the mails for viagra, enlargement devices, casino's, Nigerian scams, approved loans etc.
I'm still working in China and in Shanghai at the moment, so will be at the race next weekend. Last year's Chinese race was also wet.
Unfortunately, my work committments here meant I had to miss the British Grand Prix this year. That would have been my 40th anniversary. 1967 at Silverstone, Jim Clark in the new Lotus 49.
It seems unusual to communicate via email when all the teams are in the same pit lane anyway. What happens if the mail gets lost in amongst the mails for viagra, enlargement devices, casino's, Nigerian scams, approved loans etc.
I'm still working in China and in Shanghai at the moment, so will be at the race next weekend. Last year's Chinese race was also wet.
Unfortunately, my work committments here meant I had to miss the British Grand Prix this year. That would have been my 40th anniversary. 1967 at Silverstone, Jim Clark in the new Lotus 49.
David Morton
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Hi Dave,
Long time? How's things?
How about the scenario that Meteo France told Ferrari the rain was about to stop? There certainly was some breaks in the rain where it did reduce somewhat for a brief moment and if that had happened Inters would have been appropriate. It didn't, they weren't, and Meto France probably lost them the race.
I wont be in Shanghai though I'm going to Sao Paolo for a bit of a social and several pinghas /caiperinhas.
Have a great time and I'll give you a shout as memsaab has a hankering to come to Shangahi for some more shopping.
Dave M
ps - does your car need exercising? I could take it part way to Le Mans Classic 2008 for you and you could pick it up from Paris CDG?Just a thought as the valve springs are probably in need of turning over.......
Long time? How's things?
How about the scenario that Meteo France told Ferrari the rain was about to stop? There certainly was some breaks in the rain where it did reduce somewhat for a brief moment and if that had happened Inters would have been appropriate. It didn't, they weren't, and Meto France probably lost them the race.
I wont be in Shanghai though I'm going to Sao Paolo for a bit of a social and several pinghas /caiperinhas.
Have a great time and I'll give you a shout as memsaab has a hankering to come to Shangahi for some more shopping.
Dave M
ps - does your car need exercising? I could take it part way to Le Mans Classic 2008 for you and you could pick it up from Paris CDG?Just a thought as the valve springs are probably in need of turning over.......
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Pete
I agree with you about Webber. He has consistently "out qualified" the speed of the car he is driving (as well as his team mates) and also shows good pace in a race. I think that (rather like Damon Hill) in a fast reliable car he would be well capable of turning in race wins. Also I do warm to his style set against a background of the usual corporate gibberish.
John
I agree with you about Webber. He has consistently "out qualified" the speed of the car he is driving (as well as his team mates) and also shows good pace in a race. I think that (rather like Damon Hill) in a fast reliable car he would be well capable of turning in race wins. Also I do warm to his style set against a background of the usual corporate gibberish.
John
Pete McCluskey.
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John, thanks.
David, memo to Ferrari NEXT TIME USE RACEMET.rockonsmilerockonsmile
David, memo to Ferrari NEXT TIME USE RACEMET.rockonsmilerockonsmile
David
Thanks for your kind offer to give my car a spin(?). Only a true friend would be thinking of my valve springs! Unfortunately, I'm returning via Amsterdam so it's not possible. What a great shame.
Actually my friend who helped with the build takes it out, so it does get some excercise.
I'm only in Shanghai for two more weeks, then move to a one horse town called Putian in Fujian province. Not really looking forward to this next phase of the work!
Regards
Dave
Thanks for your kind offer to give my car a spin(?). Only a true friend would be thinking of my valve springs! Unfortunately, I'm returning via Amsterdam so it's not possible. What a great shame.
Actually my friend who helped with the build takes it out, so it does get some excercise.
I'm only in Shanghai for two more weeks, then move to a one horse town called Putian in Fujian province. Not really looking forward to this next phase of the work!
Regards
Dave
David Morton
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From the F1 sa website:
Raikkonen on Sunday blamed the FIA for not informing Ferrari of a last minute rule change.
The Maranello based team had to pull into the pits early in the Japanese grand prix after trying to start the race behind the safety car on intermediate tyres.
Third placed Raikkonen, now a distant 17 points behind Lewis Hamilton in the world championship with two races to go, later told reporters at Fuji Speedway that Charlie Whiting and FIA race control failed to tell Ferrari that it had to start on extreme wet tyres.
"They forgot to tell our team," the Finn claimed. "That forced us to pit behind the safety car."
Although no other team wrongly started the race on intermediates, Renault's Pat Symonds confirmed that Whiting only publicised the rule change just over an hour before the race.
"It's a little bit surprising, I guess," he told the British broadcaster ITV.
Raikkonen's teammate Felipe Massa finished sixth at Fuji, meaning that he can no longer become world champion.
Apparently Raikkonen's engineer didn't mince his words and was reported as saying "They f----ed our race"
Raikkonen on Sunday blamed the FIA for not informing Ferrari of a last minute rule change.
The Maranello based team had to pull into the pits early in the Japanese grand prix after trying to start the race behind the safety car on intermediate tyres.
Third placed Raikkonen, now a distant 17 points behind Lewis Hamilton in the world championship with two races to go, later told reporters at Fuji Speedway that Charlie Whiting and FIA race control failed to tell Ferrari that it had to start on extreme wet tyres.
"They forgot to tell our team," the Finn claimed. "That forced us to pit behind the safety car."
Although no other team wrongly started the race on intermediates, Renault's Pat Symonds confirmed that Whiting only publicised the rule change just over an hour before the race.
"It's a little bit surprising, I guess," he told the British broadcaster ITV.
Raikkonen's teammate Felipe Massa finished sixth at Fuji, meaning that he can no longer become world champion.
Apparently Raikkonen's engineer didn't mince his words and was reported as saying "They f----ed our race"
Four letter words seem to be gaining in popularity in F1 at the moment. I had an email from my brother in the UK. As a true enthusiast (He's not far behind me on the British Grand Prix anniversaries), he got up early on Sunday to watch the Japanese race live on ITV.
Some time after the Webber/Vettel incident, he tells me that the GP coverage ran along the following lines:-
Race commentator: Now over to Louise Goodman who is with Mark Webber in the pits.
Louise: Well Mark, that was an unfortunate accident.
Mark: F**k Off
Louise: Oh dear, I don't think I had better continue this one.
Apparently it was edited out of the later transmissions.
I still can't understand why anyone would not start on full wets in those conditions. With the rain and water streaming on the track, there would be no chance of a drier line appearing. From what I remember of the first couple of laps behind the pace car, the Ferrari's had difficulty staying on the track, never mind keeping to a line.
Do you think I will see the first driver to win the title in his first year next Sunday? Also the first British driver for 11 years. Mustn't count chickens etc!
Regards
Dave
Some time after the Webber/Vettel incident, he tells me that the GP coverage ran along the following lines:-
Race commentator: Now over to Louise Goodman who is with Mark Webber in the pits.
Louise: Well Mark, that was an unfortunate accident.
Mark: F**k Off
Louise: Oh dear, I don't think I had better continue this one.
Apparently it was edited out of the later transmissions.
I still can't understand why anyone would not start on full wets in those conditions. With the rain and water streaming on the track, there would be no chance of a drier line appearing. From what I remember of the first couple of laps behind the pace car, the Ferrari's had difficulty staying on the track, never mind keeping to a line.
Do you think I will see the first driver to win the title in his first year next Sunday? Also the first British driver for 11 years. Mustn't count chickens etc!
Regards
Dave
Pat Buckley
GT40s Supporter
I sure hope we see a rookie Champ!
Wishful thinking, but I look forward to McClaren telling Alonzo that he may be used as a test driver next year.
Wishful thinking, but I look forward to McClaren telling Alonzo that he may be used as a test driver next year.
I think David might be right on this one - latest skinny is that FA will take a (McLaren motivated) paid year out in 2008. He has also publicly said that he could not contemplate Hamilton as a team mate next year....
Plus, Flavio has offered FA his old job back, and Dave, your brother was dead right about Webber, but the interview did continue with another stream of invectives concerning "f**king kids with no experience" at which point Louise Goodman cut it short and apologised as did James Allen....
They have now penalised STR for Vettel's error by sending him back 10 places on the grid for the Chinese shoot out, but I think that's crazy (and pointless as it might put him in 25th place at least). It was a racing incident - testing brakes VS heating tyres - it could happen to anyone. I'm quite sure both STR and Vettel are suitable chastened by their failure to deliver certain constructors points which in itself is worth $,000,000's to the team next year. If they continue to dish out schoolboy punishments - no-one will race anymore. The stewards must have a short memory - Schumachers collision with Coulthard at Spa was very much worse and potentially life threatening, but I didn't notice anyone dishing out punishments then...
Plus, Flavio has offered FA his old job back, and Dave, your brother was dead right about Webber, but the interview did continue with another stream of invectives concerning "f**king kids with no experience" at which point Louise Goodman cut it short and apologised as did James Allen....
They have now penalised STR for Vettel's error by sending him back 10 places on the grid for the Chinese shoot out, but I think that's crazy (and pointless as it might put him in 25th place at least). It was a racing incident - testing brakes VS heating tyres - it could happen to anyone. I'm quite sure both STR and Vettel are suitable chastened by their failure to deliver certain constructors points which in itself is worth $,000,000's to the team next year. If they continue to dish out schoolboy punishments - no-one will race anymore. The stewards must have a short memory - Schumachers collision with Coulthard at Spa was very much worse and potentially life threatening, but I didn't notice anyone dishing out punishments then...
